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that formerly sacred and untouchable deduction is on the table for fiscal cliff talks. that costs the government $100 billion a year. you know they're looking at every rock for revenue. it would take buyers away from the house market and it could be devastating to the economy. we have lindsey piegza and dan mitchell, from the cato institute. welcome to you both. lindsey, let me start with you. we shouldn't be surprised everything is on the table here, right? >> sure. but this is a big potential problem. it would no doubt cause prices on homes to fall? liz: to rise? >> i'm sorry. liz: if you took the mortgage deduction it would cause prices to rise. >> we would see prices fall because the demand for homes would teeter. this is big decision whether deciding to rent or purchase. you remove that incentive people will drop out of the marketplace. all of sudden a lot of potential homebuyers would-be homebuyers drop out of the marketplace and cause decline in prices up to 10%. this could really undermine any momentum we've seen in the housing market as of late. liz: that is in
that formerly sacred and untouchable deduction is on the table for fiscal cliff talks. that costs the government $100 billion a year. you know they're looking at every rock for revenue. it would take buyers away from the house market and it could be devastating to the economy. we have lindsey piegza and dan mitchell, from the cato institute. welcome to you both. lindsey, let me start with you. we shouldn't be surprised everything is on the table here, right? >> sure. but this is a big...
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cliff talks. he wants the america's youth to use the social networking prowess to get congress to take acon. does even the almighty psy have the power to get everybody together? i don't know. joining us with democratic congresswoman karen bass. thank you so much for joining our show tonight. obviously alan simpn is very worried about people getting involved. do you feel like the american public is tuned into this debateor are they sick of hearing all the fighting back and forth and they're tuning out? >> you have to love t former senator. he is quite hilarious. i think people are tuned in. i think people are aware. people know that, you know, 98% of americans could have their tax rates stable and not have their taxes go up. and you know, there are some taxes that would go up if we two off the fiscal cliff. you're talking about a family that makes about $50,000 having a tax increase of $4,000. melissa: congresswoman, this drives me crazy. when we look at all the numbers we immediately start taing a
cliff talks. he wants the america's youth to use the social networking prowess to get congress to take acon. does even the almighty psy have the power to get everybody together? i don't know. joining us with democratic congresswoman karen bass. thank you so much for joining our show tonight. obviously alan simpn is very worried about people getting involved. do you feel like the american public is tuned into this debateor are they sick of hearing all the fighting back and forth and they're...
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and these fiscal cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how they might accommodate health care reform. he said they would have to go ahead and use many more part-time workers because obamacare was simply too expensive. there was a big backlash against that. so he is going to have to go ahead and, as a result, they are going to keep full-time workers on. they're stuck with the cost of obamacare. he also said, they're having a tough time, people aren't coming into the restaurants because the economy is bad. so in my mind he spoke out. he got punished for it. at the same time the economy is terrible. he is really struggling. at the
and these fiscal cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how...
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>> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. ifou drill down on the details, as soon as i saw 800 billion in new x revenue, my immediate question did they give on the point of marginal rat d from the language it doesn't look like. more a tax code basically closes loopholes. they employ all the euphemisms to say you will get rid of deductions. sounds like that is where the 800 billion in new revenue isoming from. they didn't give on marginal rates at all. >> that is good news but only good news in the nse we're not traveling as fast in the wrong direction. you're tal
>> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending....
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wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the dollar bill be going the way of the doo-doo. a congressional panel is once again calling for the u.s. to stop printing singles and switch entirely to dollar coins. the nonpartisan panel believes it could save taxpayers money. it's more expensive to produce coins but they last about six times longer than paper bills. and you'll need some extra coins to buy starbucks latest. the coffee king is selling a new brew that will set you back $7 for a grande cup. it's made from a rare been grown in costa rica. if you want to brew a cup at home, a bag of th
wall street got a boost from the fiscal cliff talks. dow added 106 points after being down triple digits earlier in the day. nasdaq gained 23 points. the u.s. economy is growing at a steady pace according to the latest report from the federal reserve. the so-called beige book survey shows a pickup in consumer spending and home sales in october and early november. economic growth improved in nine of the 12 federal reserve districts but superstorm sandy hampered growth in the northeast. could the...
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all the talk about we can't fall off the fiscal cliff, we say why not? it may not be the worse option? maybe it is. none of them stop the problem. we'll take a look. here to crunch the numbers, stephen hayes, fox news contributor and writer for "the weekly standard." thanks for coming on to brave the math. both sides get so emotional here. it is not about emotion, it is about the numbers and what will save this country. looking at the real numbers on the fiscal cliff. we projected it out over 10 years if we show you the big full screen we made and numbers look pretty scary from a tax perspective there. if we went over the fiscal cliff it would increase taxes 5.6 trillion. that is 10-year period. fairly say no one believes we would stay on the road for 10 years. i want to do it so you do side by side comparison. spending cuts 1.2 trillion. the president wants to raise taxes 1.6 trillion. cut spending by 600. the house plan looks like sort of a flip-flop of that. what do you think of all these numbers. what do you make of it? what is your first impression?
all the talk about we can't fall off the fiscal cliff, we say why not? it may not be the worse option? maybe it is. none of them stop the problem. we'll take a look. here to crunch the numbers, stephen hayes, fox news contributor and writer for "the weekly standard." thanks for coming on to brave the math. both sides get so emotional here. it is not about emotion, it is about the numbers and what will save this country. looking at the real numbers on the fiscal cliff. we projected it...
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tracy: tough new talk on the fiscal cliff. why house speaker boehner says president obama is deliberately pushing the country over it. ashley: all right. first look how the dollar is moving right now as we finish another week of trading. a mixed bag but the euro, pulling back against the dollar, below that 1.30 mark. we'll be right back. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedheahcare, i gohelp that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors o get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're re than ,000 people looking out for so i never more than 70t. million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. can. >> at 19 minutes past the hour i'm arthel neville with your fox news minute. reuters reporting protesters broke through military barricades outside the presidential palace in cairo, egypt. late yesterday defiant president morsi calling for a dialog
tracy: tough new talk on the fiscal cliff. why house speaker boehner says president obama is deliberately pushing the country over it. ashley: all right. first look how the dollar is moving right now as we finish another week of trading. a mixed bag but the euro, pulling back against the dollar, below that 1.30 mark. we'll be right back. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedheahcare, i gohelp...
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there is new intrigue in the fight over the fiscal cliff talks today. both sides have messages out this morning that seem to echo the same old position. this on the heels of president obama holding a campaign-style event in suburban philadelphia to sell his solution. he said if congress does not extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class, everyone's taxes will go up january 1st. >> i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> meanwhile house speaker john boehner says the latest proposal from the white house would cripple the economy. the plan calls for a boost in revenue by $1.6 trillion over the next decade. >> they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean it's, it's -- not a serious proposal. so right now we're almost nowhere. >> >> mike viqueira joins us live from the white house. where is almost nowhere? >> it's inside the beltway and it's business as usual. it's also december 1st, alex, and
there is new intrigue in the fight over the fiscal cliff talks today. both sides have messages out this morning that seem to echo the same old position. this on the heels of president obama holding a campaign-style event in suburban philadelphia to sell his solution. he said if congress does not extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class, everyone's taxes will go up january 1st. >> i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for...
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tracy: we're going inside the president's latest round of talks on the fiscal cliff. governor gary herbert of utah joins us next. ashley: we'll hear what he has to say. take a look how the dollar is moving right now against some of these foreign currencies, the euro, the pound, the canadian dollar. mexican peso. yes, they are all moving higher today against the good ol' greenback. we'll be right back ♪ [ male announce] how could witchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum producon in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understandhe connections of a complex, global onomy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with condence. request a prospectus or summaryrpectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider cefully before investing. if you're a man with low testosterone, the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is not for use in women or aone younger than 18. a
tracy: we're going inside the president's latest round of talks on the fiscal cliff. governor gary herbert of utah joins us next. ashley: we'll hear what he has to say. take a look how the dollar is moving right now against some of these foreign currencies, the euro, the pound, the canadian dollar. mexican peso. yes, they are all moving higher today against the good ol' greenback. we'll be right back ♪ [ male announce] how could witchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum...
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healthcare has not so far been major issue in the fiscal cliff talks. it may. but chief national correspondent jim angle tells us tonight that president obama won re-election and obamacare kicks in, the economy is about to feel the effects. >> starting january 1, the obama administration will raise taxes far more than just eliminating the bush tax cuts for the top brackets. the new healthcare law will raise taxes of its own. additional $318 billion over ten years. including a new 3.8% tax on investment income and reduced deductions for those of all incomes. >> this is not an incon quincable thing. you are -- incon consequencial thing. >> those affected most will the small businesses many of which pay taxes at the individual rate and get a double whammy with the simultaneous end of the bush tax cut and tax increases under obamacare. almost 60% increase in tax on investment. >> entrepreneurs with small businesses, certain number of workers now they will be facing a four or five, 10% point increase in the tax liabilities. that means they will have income to invest
healthcare has not so far been major issue in the fiscal cliff talks. it may. but chief national correspondent jim angle tells us tonight that president obama won re-election and obamacare kicks in, the economy is about to feel the effects. >> starting january 1, the obama administration will raise taxes far more than just eliminating the bush tax cuts for the top brackets. the new healthcare law will raise taxes of its own. additional $318 billion over ten years. including a new 3.8% tax...
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cliff talks. in two huge interviews on "fox news sunday" today. chris wallace sitting down for exclusive interview with republican house speaker john boehner. he also got the white house position from treasury secretary tim geithner. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we put a serious offer on the table to put the re-knews up there to get the question resolved and the white house responded with virtually nothing. they actually asked for more revenue than they have had for the entire time. >> you heard them for the first time in two decades, acknowledge they are willing to have revenues go up as the balance plan. that is to good first step but they have to tell us what they want to do on rates and re-knews. that is hard for republicans and we understand that. but there is no way without that. they have to tell us on the spending time what they want to do go beyond and what makes sense to them. >> jamie: joining me now the anchor of "fox news sunday," chris wallace. good morning. >
cliff talks. in two huge interviews on "fox news sunday" today. chris wallace sitting down for exclusive interview with republican house speaker john boehner. he also got the white house position from treasury secretary tim geithner. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we put a serious offer on the table to put the re-knews up there to get the question resolved and the white house responded with virtually nothing. they actually asked for more revenue than they...
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no progress on the fiscal cliff and no plans to even talk about it. when will the white house and congress get serious about making a deal? tracy: on december 31st. dennis: the president is taking to twitter. we'll the latest all hour. tracy: fears of higher taxes caused tax-free muni bonds to popularity but is it too late to find any bargains? jack hough says no. he tells us where the deals are. dennis: the looming fiscal cliff doesn't seem to stop americans from buying new cars. edmunds analyst jessica caldwell breaks down a surprising strong month for automakers but will it last? tracy: time to check stocks as we do every 15 minutes. we head down to the lauren simonetti on the floor of the new york stock exchange. they are slipping but just off the lows of the day. >> off the lows of the day. but the dow and s&p 500 giving up about a third of a percent each right now. the nasdaq is down three points. off the lows. the low for the dow this session is 12,969. we're a little above it but seems like the market wants to end the day in the red. we got co
no progress on the fiscal cliff and no plans to even talk about it. when will the white house and congress get serious about making a deal? tracy: on december 31st. dennis: the president is taking to twitter. we'll the latest all hour. tracy: fears of higher taxes caused tax-free muni bonds to popularity but is it too late to find any bargains? jack hough says no. he tells us where the deals are. dennis: the looming fiscal cliff doesn't seem to stop americans from buying new cars. edmunds...
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it's expected they will talk about the fiscal cliff. there is also a lot of growing speculation there may be a role for romney in the obama administration. >> dozens of new york public schools victimized by looters in the aftermath of super storm sandy. the city reports 30 schools targeted including one in the rockaways and queens where nearly a hundred ipads and i macs were stolen. >> terrible. >> the looting losses rbt covered by insurance. >> clothes as eccentric as her music. yoko ono with a new line from a sketch she drew for her and john lennon's wedding. they were designed to celebrate john lennon's hot bod. tank tops with nipple cutouts, buttless pants which we are not going to show you. really. interesting. >> two words i thought you would never say. buttless pants. >>> president obama has dispatched one of his top money men to cut a deal with lawmakers. we are talking about that coming u. yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spe
it's expected they will talk about the fiscal cliff. there is also a lot of growing speculation there may be a role for romney in the obama administration. >> dozens of new york public schools victimized by looters in the aftermath of super storm sandy. the city reports 30 schools targeted including one in the rockaways and queens where nearly a hundred ipads and i macs were stolen. >> terrible. >> the looting losses rbt covered by insurance. >> clothes as eccentric as...
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house speaker boehner says fiscal cliff talks, well, they have gone, quote, almost nowhere. that is encouraging, isn't it? when will both sides finally make progress towards a deal? "wall street journal's" gerald seib met with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. he will be here to tell us what he had to say. tracy: i'm excited. new study says which americans pay the most in taxes and probably not who you think or maybe it is. it raises questions who is really not paying their fair share. ashley: i think it is me by the way. if fiscal cliff wasn't bad enough, food prices will spike in the new year, you remember the drought, plus inaction in congress will cost you more at the checkout. tracy: i remember jeff flock out in those fields right? ashley: can't forget that. tracy: time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes. lauren simonetti on the floor of new york stock exchange today. we got another sign of consumer weakness, didn't we? >> tracy and ashley, consumer spending fell in october, first decline in five months that is keeping a cap on stocks. all three major averages i
house speaker boehner says fiscal cliff talks, well, they have gone, quote, almost nowhere. that is encouraging, isn't it? when will both sides finally make progress towards a deal? "wall street journal's" gerald seib met with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. he will be here to tell us what he had to say. tracy: i'm excited. new study says which americans pay the most in taxes and probably not who you think or maybe it is. it raises questions who is really not paying their fair...
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cliff deal, charles krauthammer is talking about it. he calls it quote insulting. >> it's not just a bad deal. what geithner offers on the street robert e. lee was offered easier terms and he lost the civil war. democrats won by 3 percent of the voeft and they did not hold the house. republicans won the house. this is not the condition of surrender but that's what the administration is asking the republicans. they are not only cuts there are increase in spending with a new stimulus. this is almost unheard of. what do they expect? they obviously expect they will cave on everything. i think they ought to simply walk away. the president is the president. he is the leader. they are remanning republicans explain all of the cuts they want to mac. we had that movie a year and a half ago where paul ryan presented a budget a serious real budget with real cuts, obama was supposed to give a speech in which he would respond with a counteroffer. he gave a speech we had ryan sitting in the front row. he called the ryan proposal unamerican offered not
cliff deal, charles krauthammer is talking about it. he calls it quote insulting. >> it's not just a bad deal. what geithner offers on the street robert e. lee was offered easier terms and he lost the civil war. democrats won by 3 percent of the voeft and they did not hold the house. republicans won the house. this is not the condition of surrender but that's what the administration is asking the republicans. they are not only cuts there are increase in spending with a new stimulus. this...
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james carney said the president is now open to spending cuts being part of the fiscal cliff talks. yesterday, the president suggested the tax changes now can be done and spending changes next year and the republicans say, not so were. second, a phone call teen the -- between the president and speaker boehner and carney said the president laid out any deal has to have an increase in tax rates but he would not be specific suggesting there is flexibility. the top rate does nut have to be 39.6 back from clinton, but something to get a deal jump started. mitt romney was here for lunch the first meeting since after the election and it was awkward and the menu included turkey chili and a white house readout said they promised to "keep in touch" if the opportunity arises where their interests intersect, maybe another way of saying not so much. >>neil: turkey chili. >>guest: healthy. >>neil: it is. and you are healthy. they are not close to a deal? they aren't close to a deal? what is the deal? we don't know. when we get a deal, and they will, it will be because of something we don't see, n
james carney said the president is now open to spending cuts being part of the fiscal cliff talks. yesterday, the president suggested the tax changes now can be done and spending changes next year and the republicans say, not so were. second, a phone call teen the -- between the president and speaker boehner and carney said the president laid out any deal has to have an increase in tax rates but he would not be specific suggesting there is flexibility. the top rate does nut have to be 39.6 back...
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just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clinton, some are
just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't...
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one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for everybody except the more wealthy americans. >> right now congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income, everybody. and that means that 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses wouldn't see their income taxes go up at all. and even the wealthiest americans would get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> but republicans led by house speaker john boehner said the president should quit campaigning and take care of business and some suggest that the president is playing a dangerous game of political brinksmanship. >> i think that the democrats and the president view it to their advantage to run the clock out and dangerously close by the end of the year. if there's a break through, in a short manner, takes a while to get proposals scored by the budget office and legi
one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for everybody except the more wealthy americans. >> right now congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income, everybody. and that means that 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses...
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so if they lost this first round to fiscal cliff talks they can say we want this and this. so what the administration is going to do is one of two things. insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is moving in the wrong direction. after the -- right after the election, there was a little bit of recrimination, a little like well, boehner sounded getting squishy and what's happened over the succession of weeks since then, as he's meeting with the caucus, there's a hardening. in terms of -- >> or a disbelief -- a disbelief -- >> comes out and says stuff like that, you read some of the local papers, these people rshs it. >> are telling their local paper we're in a bad negotiation position here. >> the problem is, had he's probably a guy that's going to -- boehner will still be dealing with after jan
so if they lost this first round to fiscal cliff talks they can say we want this and this. so what the administration is going to do is one of two things. insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is...
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the weekly jobless claims which have some sandy issues involved or the fiscal cliff talks? >> definitely the fiscal cliff. what you were talking about yesterday, boehner's comments really turned things around for the markets, all this sense of optimism all of a sudden. we saw the markets go from down triple digits for the dow up to triple digits. we haven't seen a swing like that since over a year ago. it's been october of 2011 was the last time it happened. it's definitely the fiscal cliff driving things. we heard commentary from lloyd blankfein, between that and the lead story -- one of the top stories on the front page of the "wall street journal" suggesting the president is flexible on the tax hikes, that sounds like a deal might get done. you see a gain of 50 or 60 points. gdp up 2.7% from 2%. there was concerning things when you dig into the numbers, it's all fiscal cliff all the time here, chuck. >> oh, hopefully, as you guys say, it will all -- people will rise above, right, becky? >> that's right. >> i know. i see the button. up next, we're taking a deep dive into
the weekly jobless claims which have some sandy issues involved or the fiscal cliff talks? >> definitely the fiscal cliff. what you were talking about yesterday, boehner's comments really turned things around for the markets, all this sense of optimism all of a sudden. we saw the markets go from down triple digits for the dow up to triple digits. we haven't seen a swing like that since over a year ago. it's been october of 2011 was the last time it happened. it's definitely the fiscal...
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cliff talks with democrats. treasury secretary tim geithner saying and telling chris wallace republicans must accept the tax hikes for the wealthy to reach a deal. a deal is what we are after. peter doocy live in washington with more. peter, tell us first, speaker boehner -- the big problem right now with the white house proposal that was just presented. >> jamie, speaker boehner says he was flabbergasted when the treasury secretary geithner came to capitol hill and told him what the president wants. and this is why. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in ten years. twice as much as he has been asking for in public. he had stimulus spending in here that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: secretary geithner says the white house $4 trillion plan has 2 to 1 ratio of cuts to spending increases. but everything we heard from speaker boehner suggests the $1.6 trillion in new revenue the white house wants is too much. especia
cliff talks with democrats. treasury secretary tim geithner saying and telling chris wallace republicans must accept the tax hikes for the wealthy to reach a deal. a deal is what we are after. peter doocy live in washington with more. peter, tell us first, speaker boehner -- the big problem right now with the white house proposal that was just presented. >> jamie, speaker boehner says he was flabbergasted when the treasury secretary geithner came to capitol hill and told him what the...
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and the so-called fiscal cliff dominating debate in washington d.c. a lot of talk. what about the finances in state capital all across the country? folks are kind of ignoring another source of -- well, let's say inched. take a look at some of the worst offenders in the "chalk talk" here next. stay with us. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] e mercedes-benz winter event is back, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lea a 2013 ml350 for $599 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. now we need a little t more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attentn. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our meers can make... hat's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only nat
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this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithne
this all comes as we get word that the fiscal cliff talks will boil down to what happens between two people and only two people. president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the...
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fiscal cliff talks are they a nonstarter? >> i tell you, you listen to everything that is being said publicly. you see the president there. it's clear that the election, yes, is over. but the campaign goes on here. you know, i really believe that there two things that are clear from the white house to republicans. we are still in preliminary stages here, which is the good news, considering they are far apart. number two, the white house clearly feels it has the upper hand. it came with the $1.6 billion in new revenues and that's twice what the president was talking about before the election. republicans, obviously, rejecting it out of hand. we all heard by now republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell laughed at it. there you see some of the provisions there. $600 billion in savings. some of it from medicare, another 50 billion in spending and new spending on infrastructure and stimulus spending. that's something that republicans aren't going to want to go to. the two sides are far apart. here we are on december 1st, th
fiscal cliff talks are they a nonstarter? >> i tell you, you listen to everything that is being said publicly. you see the president there. it's clear that the election, yes, is over. but the campaign goes on here. you know, i really believe that there two things that are clear from the white house to republicans. we are still in preliminary stages here, which is the good news, considering they are far apart. number two, the white house clearly feels it has the upper hand. it came with...
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cliff talks. the tone is turning nasty now. 32 days until the tax rates soar, spending gets slashed and congress, guess what, they break for the holidays in two weeks. >> this is where things stand right now. the president unveiling a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes, hikes, and $50 billion in new -- that's right, new infrastructure spending. he will use the manufacturing plant in pennsylvania as a backdrop today to try to sell this plan. republicans sure aren't buying it yet. they want to hear about spending cuts. house speaker john boehner tells the president to get serious. ath athena jones is live from washington. what now, athena? >> we've heard tough talk in the past couple of days, very different from the tone we heard immediately immediately after the election when congressional leaders met with the president at the white house. the big hang up remains on one issue of tax revenues. republicans and democrats can't agree should theye bush tax cuts for the wealthiest americans,
cliff talks. the tone is turning nasty now. 32 days until the tax rates soar, spending gets slashed and congress, guess what, they break for the holidays in two weeks. >> this is where things stand right now. the president unveiling a plan that calls for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes, hikes, and $50 billion in new -- that's right, new infrastructure spending. he will use the manufacturing plant in pennsylvania as a backdrop today to try to sell this plan. republicans sure aren't buying it...
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this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid is no bungee jump. what goes down doesn't by necessity come back up. this is why i've warned to know the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went through financial chaos under w. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. fortunately for him the voters remember how bad they were. that's one reason they don't blame obama for the weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. it's about being smart and not putting the country a
this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid is no bungee jump. what goes down doesn't by necessity come back up. this is why i've warned to know the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went through financial chaos under w. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. fortunately for him the voters remember how bad they were. that's one...
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cliff talks. i think what is going on here is the white house heard the criticism and they are trying to breathe some new life into these talks. politico reported there was a phone call between the president and speaker boehner. they claim it was curt as in a short call that did not go well. jay carney just pushed back and said it was a 28-minute phone call. he said it was frank and direct. and it was good, it was positive. they believe, the white house does, that they are making progress. but i pressed jay carney. i said will spending cuts be included? and here is what he said. >> can you hold up that budget, look in the camera and say to your fellow democrats on capitol hill, vote for and include some of these spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? because that's not what they are doing. should they include those? >> yes. and i know that democrats accept that there -- this has to be a balanced package that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> reporter: so news the whit
cliff talks. i think what is going on here is the white house heard the criticism and they are trying to breathe some new life into these talks. politico reported there was a phone call between the president and speaker boehner. they claim it was curt as in a short call that did not go well. jay carney just pushed back and said it was a 28-minute phone call. he said it was frank and direct. and it was good, it was positive. they believe, the white house does, that they are making progress. but...
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so while we're stuck on thinking about tax rates increases versus revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement spending if we want to prevent a battle between old and young americans. diana further got roth, senior fellow at man hat taken institute and joins us now. diana, seems to me raising the retirement age is the simplest thing you could do yet we're not talking about that. >> well, we certainly should be because part of the deficit problem, a great part, is entitlements, social security and medicare, keep adding fiscal burdens as people's live expectancy increases and it's great that people are living longer but when social security was first thought of the life expectancy was only 67. now it is arou
so while we're stuck on thinking about tax rates increases versus revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement...
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far better than expectations but behind that number is the fiscal cliff. if congress doesn't act jobless unemployment benefits will go from a 72 week maximum down to 27 weeks. could that force a spike in the jobless rate again for 2013? joining us is todd schoenberger of wells fargo, senior economist. i know you were not thrilled with the numbers that came out today but you also have the issue of unemployment benefits and what that does to the economy. are you worried? >> you bet i am worried. if we leap off of the fiscal cliff you are looking at a minimum of 500,000 jobs eliminated and i am not talking low-wage jobs. i am talking about high five digit to six digit jobs. that will impact the overall economy. not just in the united states, also the global economy. you have to start looking at multinationals that trade on wall street. cheryl: some on the democratic side say they want to see unemployment extended for 200013. they argue it will hurt the economy if we don't extend unemployment. do you agree with that assumption? >> i don't think that is true. e
far better than expectations but behind that number is the fiscal cliff. if congress doesn't act jobless unemployment benefits will go from a 72 week maximum down to 27 weeks. could that force a spike in the jobless rate again for 2013? joining us is todd schoenberger of wells fargo, senior economist. i know you were not thrilled with the numbers that came out today but you also have the issue of unemployment benefits and what that does to the economy. are you worried? >> you bet i am...
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so much for that brief burst of optimism in washington over the fiscal cliff talks. now republicans and democrats can't even agree on where things stand. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> and you know there is progress. >> treasury secretary tim geithner sat down with bipartisan congressional leaders to keep pushing for a deal. a top boehner aide said the plan geithner presented is, quote, completely unrealistic. and a top democratic aide said republicans have taken to screaming at them. if no action is taken by december 31st, 650 billion in cuts to the pentagon and domestic programs and tax increases automatically go into effect. after the meeting, the finger-pointing came quickly. republicans say democrats aren't bringing to the table a plan that include significant cuts to medicare and entitlement programs. >> revenue was only on the table. if they were serious. spending cuts. >> the white house drew its own line in the sand and said tax rates must go up on the top earners, but -- >> the middle-class tax cut should be made permanent. >> pre
so much for that brief burst of optimism in washington over the fiscal cliff talks. now republicans and democrats can't even agree on where things stand. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> and you know there is progress. >> treasury secretary tim geithner sat down with bipartisan congressional leaders to keep pushing for a deal. a top boehner aide said the plan geithner presented is, quote, completely unrealistic. and a top democratic aide said...
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negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators are meeting with boehner and top democrats. they heard the plan wednesday at the white house. at least one thinks there could be a deal here. >> if i were involved in the negotiations like this and everybody was purporting to be where they are, i would say that an agreement is reachable. >> i'm hopeful. it wouldn't put me anywhere near optimistic. >> reporter: one conservative is suggesting that while negotiations continue, congress should stop tax rates going up on the middle class now. >> we're not going to raise taxes on those people. i think we should make that clear to everybody. >> reporter: bottom l
negotiators are going to talk about specific proposaals for both sides to avoid that fiscal cliff. tracy pots joins us from washington with all the details. good morning to you. >> good morning, everyone. a number of high level but individual meetings scheduled here today on capitol hill with really just a handful of lawmakers who could have a big impact on your paycheck. tim giter in and rob neighbors bring the deficit cutting plan to capitol hill today. >> reporter: negotiators...
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. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful signs emanated from the white house and the capitol today, about getting a deal before the new year brings automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama offered his optimism at an event with middle-class americans who'd be hit by any tax increase. >> i'm glad to see-- if you've been reading the papers lately-- - that more and more republicans in congress seem to be agreeing with this idea that we should have a balanced approach. so if both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> brown: one such lawmaker is republican house member tom cole of oklahoma. th
. >> brown: washington was a-whirl today with more talk of avoiding the much-discussed fiscal cliff. but as november wound down, the president suggested an agreement on taxes and spending could come in time for the holidays. >> i believe that both parties can agree on a frame work that does that in the coming weeks. in fact my hope is to get this done before christmas. >> you know me, i was born with the glass half full. i'm an optimist. >> brown: hopeful signs emanated...
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jim was talking about a lot of specifics here, and we talk about the fiscal cliff. in some ways this is really a lot about symbolism and more for us, i think, than the two of them. can you describe what you think it means? >> sure. well, let me start by just saying across the street from where i'm at at rice, george herbert walker bush has been in the hospital, and we wish him a speedy recovery from his illness. it's an example of how you can form a friendship at these meetings. bill clinton had beat the sitting president, george herber walker bush, and they met similar to the way romney and obama are now, and now clinton and 41 are dear, close friends and have done many constructive things together around the world. i think, by and large, these meetings, the luncheon today, will be about optics. it's the photo ops. it's a chance to say america is united. there may be an opportunity here for mitt romney to come out and talk about the fiscal cliff or saying we must avoid falling off it towards something that could be helpful to the white house in the end. i remember
jim was talking about a lot of specifics here, and we talk about the fiscal cliff. in some ways this is really a lot about symbolism and more for us, i think, than the two of them. can you describe what you think it means? >> sure. well, let me start by just saying across the street from where i'm at at rice, george herbert walker bush has been in the hospital, and we wish him a speedy recovery from his illness. it's an example of how you can form a friendship at these meetings. bill...
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reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the middle class tax breaks before the holidays where we can give -- that's what everyone agrees on. i don't know any republican or democrat that thinks we should let those tax rates -- tax cuts for the middle class expire. so we should pass that now. and then on the things that we're having more trouble agreeing on, we should sit down at the table. the one thing i can assure you, the president and democrats in congress, have consistently said, we're not going to do this -- there is no my way or the highway. we have concrete proposals and compromise on the table, thus far, th
reduction and dealing with the fiscal cliff, we're talking about fairness. we're talking about making sure that if you work hard and play by the rules everyone has a chance to succeed. that the middle class needs certainly tight right now. speaker pelosi and my colleague congressman tim walls, filed a discharge petition today to take the bill that we have, that has already passed the senate, that grants certainty to the middle class, to take that bill up and make sure that we can extend the...
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>> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in terms of tax hikes and spending cuts? >> probably are going to be a brunch of different things in it, but the main thing that will be close to 1% of u.s. gdp is the expiring of the payroll tax cut. both sides of the aisle agree on that. it will fall disproceportiona a on middle income households. >> and instead of the bush tax cuts for exampl
>> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment...
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both parties taking to the airwaves this weekend, trying to blame each other over the fiscal cliff talk. this is all happening less than a month until accommodation of spending cuts and tax hikes kicks in. right now, it seems like both sides are moving further apart from the deal. here is house speaker john boehner and treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> we are flabbergasted. we have seven weeks between election day in the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted. >> we are not going to extend an extension of the tax rates. we think they need to go back to those levels. if you don't do that, you have to ask yourself, whose taxes are we going to raise? were we going to find the money bring a balanced plan in place? jenna: senator lindsey graham, a republican known for reaching across the aisle, not looking at this with a great deal of optimism. >> i think we're going over the fiscal cliff. it's pretty clear that they have made this happen. they are not saving social security and medicare and medicaid from imminent bankruptcy. jenna: james is live in washington with more
both parties taking to the airwaves this weekend, trying to blame each other over the fiscal cliff talk. this is all happening less than a month until accommodation of spending cuts and tax hikes kicks in. right now, it seems like both sides are moving further apart from the deal. here is house speaker john boehner and treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> we are flabbergasted. we have seven weeks between election day in the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted....
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tim geithner is about to meet with each leader this morning to talk about the fiscal cliff or slope or curve. but whatever you call it, politico's front page headline reads, fiscal cliff deal emerging. it hashes out the flame woframe agreement including $400 billion in cuts to entitlements. but how close are they really? depends on who you ask. >> what's going on between the decision makers is little to nothing. >> you can actually now see what the contours of the deal look like. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to overt this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans. >> it's safer if you're on the progressive end of the political spectrum to go over the fiscal cliff than it is to agree to some of the things they're talking about. >> ruth, where do you stand, deal or no deal? >> not who deal, but who are more pessimistic. the clock is really ticking. about ten legislative days left in the year. outlines are there but the willingness to do it and the ability to get it done in t
tim geithner is about to meet with each leader this morning to talk about the fiscal cliff or slope or curve. but whatever you call it, politico's front page headline reads, fiscal cliff deal emerging. it hashes out the flame woframe agreement including $400 billion in cuts to entitlements. but how close are they really? depends on who you ask. >> what's going on between the decision makers is little to nothing. >> you can actually now see what the contours of the deal look like....
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this is wicked boring. >> i bet the president will talk to him about the fiscal cliff and they'll talk about entitlement reform and maybe tax reform. but the one thing i don't think the president will do because the president is a gentleman, you know, what was up with the 47% and gifts? i gave gifts to people? he's not going to go there with mitt romney. one, as i said because he's gentleman, but two, he doesn't have to because mitt romney is coming there not as president of the united states, but guest of. and that's the best -- >> i now have a solid preduction. he will not once say the word yo. >> that was my own -- >> your artistic representation. >> richard, what i think, the only thing i'd find great about it is watching obama, the actor. as we just saw, oh, i thought he did a terrific job at the olympics, i loved watching that stream of i'm not sure what you call it, but it's acting. it's not coming from the heart. >> he does it very sincerely and look, we may never know what happens inside those quiet rooms that they're going to be having their meeting in, but here's what we kno
this is wicked boring. >> i bet the president will talk to him about the fiscal cliff and they'll talk about entitlement reform and maybe tax reform. but the one thing i don't think the president will do because the president is a gentleman, you know, what was up with the 47% and gifts? i gave gifts to people? he's not going to go there with mitt romney. one, as i said because he's gentleman, but two, he doesn't have to because mitt romney is coming there not as president of the united...
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this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid, is no bungee jump. what doesn't go down doesn't by necessity go back up. this is why i'm warmed that the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went under financial chaos under work. president obama came in to right
this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid, is no bungee jump. what doesn't go down doesn't by necessity go back up. this is why i'm warmed that the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went under financial chaos under work. president obama came in to right
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about the alternative minimum tax, part of the overall so-called fiscal cliff talks here in washington. right wing on twitter puts it this way, and he was for us to grab the wealthy folks at the tax breaks. it wasn't tied to inflation, now it's getting the middle class. steve and alexander, virginia commuter next. >> caller: i have had to be in the minority that thinks the amt is a good thing because it arbitrarily raises the taxes on folks and government programs have to be paid for. i'm really intrigued with mr. buckley's statement that there is going to be chaos if the amt is permitted to go forward or that it's not patched in 2012. what chaos is going to happen? people will have to pay more taxes and it's not as if everyone is sitting around their tax offer right now, anticipating what their taxes are going to be. it's basically individuals will be hit with a tax bill, which is going to be calculated and quite frankly more simplified form than the standard tax law. >> host: professor buckley. >> guest: when i say chaos, i am referring to two things. first, the irs has done all of i
about the alternative minimum tax, part of the overall so-called fiscal cliff talks here in washington. right wing on twitter puts it this way, and he was for us to grab the wealthy folks at the tax breaks. it wasn't tied to inflation, now it's getting the middle class. steve and alexander, virginia commuter next. >> caller: i have had to be in the minority that thinks the amt is a good thing because it arbitrarily raises the taxes on folks and government programs have to be paid for. i'm...
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how much do you think fiscal cliff was coming up during their golf rounds? >> i'm sure they talked about it because president clinton is a political wonk. what bill clinton showed during his presidency is that there's a way to show common ground with republicans who hate you. they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left. remember dick cheney said to -- speaking of sequels. remember when dick cheney said you got the high approval ratings you can spend them on the iraq war. republicans what they want is the president to spend some of his popularity and put out unpopular ideas for cuts. democrats don't have an incentive to do that. >> big news. stand by. my thanks. in need to pass along this breaking news from across the pond. we're just learning that prince william and kate middleton are expecting. this is news from clarence house. they will be having their first baby. nbc news is working further to confirm this
how much do you think fiscal cliff was coming up during their golf rounds? >> i'm sure they talked about it because president clinton is a political wonk. what bill clinton showed during his presidency is that there's a way to show common ground with republicans who hate you. they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left. remember dick cheney...
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part is talk about the fiscal cliff is the talk about the talk about the fiscal cliff. i don't think people are as concerned as the level of chatter that goes around. i think the chatter is more than the concern. the fiscal cliff just happens to be a preset deal on a scale of one to ten. it's a deal that is possible as outcome. i think what the country should hope for is that we come up with a better deal. business wants the rules. i understand why business is very much do a deal. do a something. because a business then can make their plans around that. if a marginal tax rate goes up too high here, they'll put a plant somewhere else. you can make those decisions. they want to know the rules. >> know the rules of the road. >> there's an america out there. there's a country. the rules we put in place have to take into account a lot more than just let's get a deal done, any deal done. i'm very hopeful that we get a principle deal done and what that's good for the growth of america for a long period of time. >> can't have any conversation with you without asking about m&a.
part is talk about the fiscal cliff is the talk about the talk about the fiscal cliff. i don't think people are as concerned as the level of chatter that goes around. i think the chatter is more than the concern. the fiscal cliff just happens to be a preset deal on a scale of one to ten. it's a deal that is possible as outcome. i think what the country should hope for is that we come up with a better deal. business wants the rules. i understand why business is very much do a deal. do a...